The ESL for Equality podcast brings teachers the latest developments in English language learning for refugees and immigrants. We discuss teaching and learning strategies, curriculum development, and policy that affects our learners. We speak with those driving the field forward and hear stories from refugees during their language acquisition journey.

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Listen to Episode 11, a bonus mini episode, in honor of Thanksgiving week! I am so incredibly grateful to all guests, listeners, and supporters of the pod. I am proud of and humbled by this community and hope to continue making content with and for you! Thank you thank you thank you!

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Listen to episode 10 where I have a conversation with my friend and colleague, Katie Pham. Katie teaches adult ESL and has extensive experience working with beginning and pre-literate students. In this episode we talk through some best practices, some unavoidable challenges, and how COVID-19 and remote learning have flipped our classrooms upside down.

Resources for teaching beginning ESL students:
Literacy Minnesota – curriculum for adult ESL learners
Bow Valley College – leveled readers applicable to adult learners
Oxford picture dictionary – vocab and pictures for beginning ESL learners
The Spring Institute – amazing resources for working with low level learners

How to reach Katie:

Listen to episode 9 – part of the Understanding Refugee Resettlement Series – Understanding the Asylum Process. In this episode I talk with Attorney Kelly Parks and Doctoral Student Roberto Fernandez Morales on their experience supporting women and children at the Texas/Mexico border in preparing for their credible fear interviews. We discuss conditions at the detention center, explore the ins and outs of a credible fear interview, and analyze how our current system sets people up for failure. Trigger warning, we discuss sensitive topics related to violence and persecution that listeners may find disturbing. We also use language that may not be suitable for all listeners.

Learn more about the asylum process in this country and how you can get involved:…nities/dilley/…-network/

Questions for Roberto Fernandez Morales can be sent to

Listen to episode 7, a conversation on Cultural Orientation with my friend and former colleague Irene Wakarindi. This is the second episode in the Understanding Refugee Resettlement series. Irene has over 5 years experience working within refugee resettlement, specifically Cultural Orientation. She gives an overview of what exactly Cultural Orientation is, what trainers do, what topics are covered, and what could be improved.

Connect with Irene on the following platforms:
LinkedIn: Irene Wakarindi
Twitter: @wordswithnash

Listen to episode 8 where I chat with Linnie Pawlek, the founder of the organization Teach by Tech. We discuss how this organization utilizes a hybrid model to teach tangible skills such as financial literacy and computers to immigrants and refugees in the community. We explore how COVID has sent many, if not all, organizations and schools into a 100% virtual universe and how instructors and program managers can thoughtfully and meaningfully introduce concepts of digital literacy in their classes. Finally, we talk about Teach By Tech’s new initiative to provide resources and learning to folks with limited connectivity.

Check out Teach by Tech at:
Twitter: @Teach_by_Tech

Listen to episode 6, an interview with my friend and new author, Melvin Otieno. Melvin recently published a comic-style book called Little Fugee that follows the story of a young, unaccompanied minor refugee who is resettled to the United States. We talk about what inspired him to create the book, what he hopes to accomplish in sharing this story, and what projects are upcoming.

Buy your own copy of Little Fugee on Amazon here. See more of Melvin’s work or get in touch with him on Instagram and Facebook by searching Melville Comics.

Listen to episode 5, the first in a series entitled Understanding Refugee Resettlement. In these episodes, we will dive into topics like vetting refugees, cultural orientation, arrival processes and more. In this episode, I discuss the latest Presidential Determination for number of refugees to be resettled in fiscal year 2021. Additionally, I give a brief overview of the history of resettlement (post WWII) and discuss how refugee resettlement has historically had bipartisan support.

Listen to Episode 4, part 2 of my conversation with my friend and colleague Sharon McCreary. Go back and listen to part 1 if you missed it! In this episode, we talk volunteer best practices, volunteers in virtual classrooms, and the incredible organization, A Little Something, that was created to assist female refugee students in accessing income and community.

Get in touch with Sharon or see some of the cool work she does here:
Instagram: @alittlesomethingdenver
Twitter: @alsrefugeecraft, @cresltutors
Facebook: Colorado Refugee ESL Volunteers, A Little Something: The Denver Refugee Crafts Collective @refugeecrafts
Email: sharon.mccreary@emilygriffith.edurefugeecrafts@gmail.comRefugeeESL

Listen to Episode 3 of the ESL for Equality podcast below. This is part 1 of a 2 part conversation with my friend and colleague Sharon McCreary where we talk all things refugee ESL, specifically using volunteers in and out of the classroom.

Get in touch with Sharon or see some of the cool work she does here:
Instagram: @alittlesomethingdenver
Twitter: @alsrefugeecraft, @cresltutors
Facebook: Colorado Refugee ESL Volunteers, A Little Something: The Denver Refugee Crafts Collective @refugeecrafts

Listen to Episode 2 of the ESL for Equality podcast below. In this episode, I speak to my friend and colleague, Bikobiko Mto about his experiences as a resettled refugee and what it is like teaching English as a non-native English speaker.

Get in touch with Biko and/or see what he is up to on the following platforms:

Instagram: Mto2biko
Twitter: bikobikoM
Facebook: Bikobiko Mto

Listen to Episode 1 of the ESL for Equality podcast below. This episode gives and introduction to the topics and content I will be discussing in the coming episodes.

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